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	<description>The Artwork of Second Life Artist Juria Yoshikawa</description>
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		<title>By: josina burgess</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>josina burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow:)) greatness is shown here:) very happy to see this happen. 
feels like : PHEW. ok this is behinds us, the air is clear , now we start fresh and can focus on our art again:))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow:)) greatness is shown here:) very happy to see this happen.<br />
feels like : PHEW. ok this is behinds us, the air is clear , now we start fresh and can focus on our art again:))</p>
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		<title>By: Juria</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>Juria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too! By the way, all you sl artsters, get your butts over to Brooklyn is Watching and put some work up!
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Popcha/72/140/27
http://brooklyniswatching.com/

-J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too! By the way, all you sl artsters, get your butts over to Brooklyn is Watching and put some work up!<br />
<a href="http://slurl.com/secondlife/Popcha/72/140/27" rel="nofollow">http://slurl.com/secondlife/Popcha/72/140/27</a><br />
<a href="http://brooklyniswatching.com/" rel="nofollow">http://brooklyniswatching.com/</a></p>
<p>-J</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Story</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to see this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to see this.</p>
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		<title>By: Juria</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-829</link>
		<dc:creator>Juria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi DC,

I can't tell you how happy I am to read your words. Your offer to put aside your past feelings is a great relief to me. What is done is done and I imagine it wasn't easy to come forward after all that. I know in my own burning desire to make work, I haven't always been that sensitive. This is a struggle for me in my real life relationships and something I am always trying to do better. Sorry if I hadn't taken enough time to acknowledge your work and engage in discussion.

I'm really enjoying your work at the Brooklyn Is Watching show. The bronze sculptie piece is especially striking. Also, the feedback you gave the other day on my work in the show has given me much food for thought. 

There's always the future!

Many thanks,
Juria (Lance)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi DC,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how happy I am to read your words. Your offer to put aside your past feelings is a great relief to me. What is done is done and I imagine it wasn&#8217;t easy to come forward after all that. I know in my own burning desire to make work, I haven&#8217;t always been that sensitive. This is a struggle for me in my real life relationships and something I am always trying to do better. Sorry if I hadn&#8217;t taken enough time to acknowledge your work and engage in discussion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really enjoying your work at the Brooklyn Is Watching show. The bronze sculptie piece is especially striking. Also, the feedback you gave the other day on my work in the show has given me much food for thought. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s always the future!</p>
<p>Many thanks,<br />
Juria (Lance)</p>
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		<title>By: dcspensley</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-828</link>
		<dc:creator>dcspensley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lance/Juria (and SL arts community),

Let us make peace.

I was angry about some of the things that have passed between us, but after spending a little time with you recently, I realize it was wrong to lash out.  

I would like to publically apologize for my tirade. The passion I have for my art burns very hot and can sometimes get me so wound up I forget my manners AND my sense of humor.  

I want bury this grudge, put the negativity behind me and sincerely offer to make peace with you and everyone in the Second Life Art Community.

Kind regards,

DC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lance/Juria (and SL arts community),</p>
<p>Let us make peace.</p>
<p>I was angry about some of the things that have passed between us, but after spending a little time with you recently, I realize it was wrong to lash out.  </p>
<p>I would like to publically apologize for my tirade. The passion I have for my art burns very hot and can sometimes get me so wound up I forget my manners AND my sense of humor.  </p>
<p>I want bury this grudge, put the negativity behind me and sincerely offer to make peace with you and everyone in the Second Life Art Community.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>DC</p>
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		<title>By: Juria</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-818</link>
		<dc:creator>Juria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All.
Thanks for all your great opinions. I feel like I'm in a room full of people talking loudly these days. Sometimes very loudly ;-)

Welcome Keystone! I'm a big fan of your Reflexive Architecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBtma6YXAis. I've especially enjoyed seeing how other artists have taken your open source script to create new works like Douglas Story's DynaFleur at http://dynafleur.blogspot.com/. I wanted to comment back to your question regarding an alternate forum for this discussion which makes a lot of sense. I am very much interested in sharing differing opinions here or elsewhere. The question of censorship shouldn't even be an issue if the posts did not turn to accusations and maliciousness. I'd be very willing to take this conversation elsewhere on the condition that it's a civil discourse.

As Quadrapop has advised, I'd like to get back to focusing on work. That said, I believe this thread has been very meaningful and a good chance for people to consider attribution, ownership of art vs. art influence, etc etc. I'd like to thank DC for acting as a catalyst for this. It's been a chance to reflect.

Hi TF, thanks for your thoughts. I obviously agree with your opinions but I'd appreciate it if you didn't name call (even with a "*" that word hurts.) I think you made your point very well without. Thanks a lot!

Elros, always a pleasure, man. Thanks for piping up, especially since your name has already come up by myself and Sabine. You have a gentleness that is hard to find in big city Tokyo where I am.

Other opinions... Violetta LeShelle has taken this discussion over to her blog at http://sldepot.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/seeing-spots-being-dots-2/ She kindly reviews my past show "4" and this new performance in question Seeing Spots, Being Dots. She has also spent a good deal of time questioning "the new" in sl art or in her words: "I guess my real question is, what is in fact the newness. Is it the genre (a term used by Juria) in total, or do we already have to look at the differences in language (a term used by DC). Whichever one it turns out to be, the fact is that as in RL, artists are also being inspired by other artists. And sl art is, even if to us it feels like a big thing, still a small niche. I for one am really curious to find out how long we will be able to experience newness in sl." Be sure to check out her full blog post.

Enjoy art.
Lance (Juria)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All.<br />
Thanks for all your great opinions. I feel like I&#8217;m in a room full of people talking loudly these days. Sometimes very loudly <img src='http://memespelunk.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Welcome Keystone! I&#8217;m a big fan of your Reflexive Architecture <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBtma6YXAis" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBtma6YXAis</a>. I&#8217;ve especially enjoyed seeing how other artists have taken your open source script to create new works like Douglas Story&#8217;s DynaFleur at <a href="http://dynafleur.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://dynafleur.blogspot.com/</a>. I wanted to comment back to your question regarding an alternate forum for this discussion which makes a lot of sense. I am very much interested in sharing differing opinions here or elsewhere. The question of censorship shouldn&#8217;t even be an issue if the posts did not turn to accusations and maliciousness. I&#8217;d be very willing to take this conversation elsewhere on the condition that it&#8217;s a civil discourse.</p>
<p>As Quadrapop has advised, I&#8217;d like to get back to focusing on work. That said, I believe this thread has been very meaningful and a good chance for people to consider attribution, ownership of art vs. art influence, etc etc. I&#8217;d like to thank DC for acting as a catalyst for this. It&#8217;s been a chance to reflect.</p>
<p>Hi TF, thanks for your thoughts. I obviously agree with your opinions but I&#8217;d appreciate it if you didn&#8217;t name call (even with a &#8220;*&#8221; that word hurts.) I think you made your point very well without. Thanks a lot!</p>
<p>Elros, always a pleasure, man. Thanks for piping up, especially since your name has already come up by myself and Sabine. You have a gentleness that is hard to find in big city Tokyo where I am.</p>
<p>Other opinions&#8230; Violetta LeShelle has taken this discussion over to her blog at <a href="http://sldepot.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/seeing-spots-being-dots-2/" rel="nofollow">http://sldepot.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/seeing-spots-being-dots-2/</a> She kindly reviews my past show &#8220;4&#8243; and this new performance in question Seeing Spots, Being Dots. She has also spent a good deal of time questioning &#8220;the new&#8221; in sl art or in her words: &#8220;I guess my real question is, what is in fact the newness. Is it the genre (a term used by Juria) in total, or do we already have to look at the differences in language (a term used by DC). Whichever one it turns out to be, the fact is that as in RL, artists are also being inspired by other artists. And sl art is, even if to us it feels like a big thing, still a small niche. I for one am really curious to find out how long we will be able to experience newness in sl.&#8221; Be sure to check out her full blog post.</p>
<p>Enjoy art.<br />
Lance (Juria)</p>
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		<title>By: elros Tuominen</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-816</link>
		<dc:creator>elros Tuominen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me tell you some little simple words, I tend tosimplify I don't know if it's the best I can do, but, hey, I am as weird as his tho... who does mind really, I love sharing my works as some of you know, we got tools to create and we do... Watercolours, pastels, acrilics... it's logical finding similar works and beeing influenced by... that's the way different schools are born, but, even if we are influenced or we try different things or base our works in some other artist's works, we all give the our own point of view, inherent and different anyway... so if Juria or DanCoyote or Sabine or anyone feels the need of basing one of their works (or more than one :) ) I feel honoured... why? because I think they are really great sculptors, builders, and the only idea of beeing some kind of influence to them makes me feel proud of myself..... (just in case they find interesting my thingies tho eheheheheh )..... Have a great day, and sorry if I bothered omeone, it was ot my intention :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me tell you some little simple words, I tend tosimplify I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s the best I can do, but, hey, I am as weird as his tho&#8230; who does mind really, I love sharing my works as some of you know, we got tools to create and we do&#8230; Watercolours, pastels, acrilics&#8230; it&#8217;s logical finding similar works and beeing influenced by&#8230; that&#8217;s the way different schools are born, but, even if we are influenced or we try different things or base our works in some other artist&#8217;s works, we all give the our own point of view, inherent and different anyway&#8230; so if Juria or DanCoyote or Sabine or anyone feels the need of basing one of their works (or more than one <img src='http://memespelunk.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) I feel honoured&#8230; why? because I think they are really great sculptors, builders, and the only idea of beeing some kind of influence to them makes me feel proud of myself&#8230;.. (just in case they find interesting my thingies tho eheheheheh )&#8230;.. Have a great day, and sorry if I bothered omeone, it was ot my intention <img src='http://memespelunk.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: quadrapop</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-815</link>
		<dc:creator>quadrapop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juria, others have said well what I wish to say... especially what Eden had to say about considering the difference between inspiration and mimicking... not having seen either Dots or Skydancers (I cant afford your performance DC) I cant comment on how similar the works might be but from the videos/stills from the two shows i have seen I would agree with Eden in their assessment of the two pieces.

I love seeing the new works of Juria, DC and Sabine - you all work big, you all create amazing works I can only dream of equalling. Keep up the good work and please stop wasting your energies in bad feeling, put it into some new works for all to experience and learn from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juria, others have said well what I wish to say&#8230; especially what Eden had to say about considering the difference between inspiration and mimicking&#8230; not having seen either Dots or Skydancers (I cant afford your performance DC) I cant comment on how similar the works might be but from the videos/stills from the two shows i have seen I would agree with Eden in their assessment of the two pieces.</p>
<p>I love seeing the new works of Juria, DC and Sabine - you all work big, you all create amazing works I can only dream of equalling. Keep up the good work and please stop wasting your energies in bad feeling, put it into some new works for all to experience and learn from.</p>
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		<title>By: TF</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-814</link>
		<dc:creator>TF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to notice how sad it is really that being credited as inspiration or influence is not enough to DC and (if any) others....The two 'pieces of art' have very little in common if anything, really.

Now as far as dragging this subject through blogs and saying 'my lawyer told me..' is pretty juvenile- though I completely understand DC and why he is feeling uncomfortable (insecure?) about someone else using the same medium. 

Sky Dancers was a nice performance but raving about some 'rights' to the medium won't stop it from being further developed and/or bettered by others..and it certainly could use some further development, tbh.

You really cannot copyright an inspiration in art, you can only make sure your original piece is safe and that derivative works credit you...now, if someone makes a derivative work which (despite you are credited) outshines your original, well, sorry, that's how it goes in life.

You may be able to slap an international lawsuit on someone just to be a c*nt, but that pretty much wraps it up with me as an art collector/lover. I don't buy/enjoy art from people who would do that as they cannot teach me anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to notice how sad it is really that being credited as inspiration or influence is not enough to DC and (if any) others&#8230;.The two &#8216;pieces of art&#8217; have very little in common if anything, really.</p>
<p>Now as far as dragging this subject through blogs and saying &#8216;my lawyer told me..&#8217; is pretty juvenile- though I completely understand DC and why he is feeling uncomfortable (insecure?) about someone else using the same medium. </p>
<p>Sky Dancers was a nice performance but raving about some &#8216;rights&#8217; to the medium won&#8217;t stop it from being further developed and/or bettered by others..and it certainly could use some further development, tbh.</p>
<p>You really cannot copyright an inspiration in art, you can only make sure your original piece is safe and that derivative works credit you&#8230;now, if someone makes a derivative work which (despite you are credited) outshines your original, well, sorry, that&#8217;s how it goes in life.</p>
<p>You may be able to slap an international lawsuit on someone just to be a c*nt, but that pretty much wraps it up with me as an art collector/lover. I don&#8217;t buy/enjoy art from people who would do that as they cannot teach me anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Keystone Bouchard</title>
		<link>http://memespelunk.org/blog/?p=188#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>Keystone Bouchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sincerely glad this debate is happening, and look forward to jumping in at some point, but I think (per Juria's suggestion), that it should move to an open forum, without fear of censorship (hopefully this comment won't also be deleted).  Any suggestions as to where that should happen?  Virtual Worlds Connect?  Looking forward, Keystone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sincerely glad this debate is happening, and look forward to jumping in at some point, but I think (per Juria&#8217;s suggestion), that it should move to an open forum, without fear of censorship (hopefully this comment won&#8217;t also be deleted).  Any suggestions as to where that should happen?  Virtual Worlds Connect?  Looking forward, Keystone</p>
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